Pëllumb Xhufi , while speaking in "Zone Zero" on Top News about the case of Fredi Beleri, was involved in a debate with Vangjel Dule .
Dule said that it is up to everyone to self-declare what nationality they belong to, while Xhufi has maintained a completely opposite position, saying that the issue of nationality belongs to the circumstances that are determined by historical facts.
Then the situation worsened into a fierce debate between them.
Xhufi: Undoubtedly, the Greek government has used this opportunity, even to use the problem of Himara, they themselves have accepted such a thing. Beleri itself, in my opinion, is one of those provocations that Greece has repeatedly made with Albania. In his case, it is the last opportunity before Albania becomes part of the EU, for Himara to be called a Greek minority. As historians, we get goosebumps when we hear such things, because Himara has been one of the heartlands of Albania. The foci of Albanianism have moved constantly, it has been Kruja, Korça...and Himara.
Dule: Himara is a small country geographically but with a big and glorious history. Himara was especially important in the time of the Ottoman Empire, because of its heroic battles. Himara in special historical periods has had a neuralgic importance, the communications with Venice, Spain, Russia are evidence... We must not forget the history of the post-World War II. Himara resisted the establishment of the communist regime by vote. But on the other hand, we also have the battle after the 90s. As a right of choice, it is not the first time with Beler. It makes your hair stand on end that they self-identify as Greek.
Zeka: Does the Cham issue exist for you?
Come on: We shouldn't come up with non-existent theses. The victors of the Second World War gave each a hack according to their positive and negative contribution to that moment in history. Anyone who has felt injustice has had the opportunity to animate them.
Xhufi: Today, Albania is considered in world texts as one of the four countries that has put up the greatest resistance to the Nazi-fascists. Another historian puts Albania in the countries that have had more victims, even more than Russia in relation to the population. They did not support Greece on the "vorio epiris" issue. The borders of Albania after the 13th have never been questioned. In this respect, let's not play with history. Mitsotakis demanded that in Albania all those who felt Greek be called minorities. But no one allowed him that nationality is a matter of fate. This was one of his 6 points. We are a rare country that has protected minority rights since after the world war, we entered recognizing two minorities.
Dule: Xhufi's mentality is communist, it disgusts me. I recommend you to read the convention on the rights of minorities.
Xhufi: That Greece does not know! Mitsotakis demanded, in one of the 6 points, that the Greek minority in Albania is not true that it is concentrated in a certain area, and all those who feel Greek should be called Greek. But even international law does not recognize this because it says that nationality is a matter of fact, not desire. This was not recognized either in '13 or at the Peace Conference. I can't be Hasan and be Greek, or be Vasillaq and say I'm Turkish or from Kosovo, he said.
Dule: I have agreed that at 21:00 I had to leave.
Zeka: Yes, but we still have 10 minutes.
Dule: How patiently I listened to him, despite the fact that you speak hills behind the coast (it's about Xhufi).
Xhufi: You give us the deadline you will leave.
Meanwhile, Xhufi previously stated that Beleri is the provocation of Greece, before Albania's membership in the EU, for the full clarification of this issue.
Xhufi: Undoubtedly, the Greek government has used this occasion to highlight the problem of Himara, to internationalize it. Mr. Beleri himself, in my judgment, is one of those provocations that Greece has made with Albania many times. In his case, it is a last opportunity before Albania's EU membership, for the Himara problem to be resolved as conceived by Greek foreign policy. As much as they want Himara to be called a minority country… we get goosebumps when we hear such things. Himara has been one of the foci of Albanianism.