By Cesare Martinetti, La Stampa
"Mélenchon dreams, but he will never be prime minister!". Jacques Attali is very direct in what he says, and goes against the prevailing opinion of analysts, according to which the left-wing New Popular Front won Sunday's elections.
The economist, historian, essayist known in the international arena, now 80 years old, was one of the most trusted advisers of the socialist president Francois Mitterrand in Elysee.
Mr. Attali, are you surprised by the result of these early elections?
Relatively yes, because for a few days, since a very clear anti-fascist alliance was created between almost all the left parties, it was clear that the far-right National Rally would not be able to win. And what we are seeing is the confirmation of an anti-fascist alliance that has always existed in France.
As always, you declared your vote for the left. Feeling satisfied?
I am happy because the fascist danger was avoided, but France is in a situation where it cannot be governed normally. Because neither party has a majority, many deputies were elected not for their program, but to create a bloc against the fascist candidate. Moreover, many left-wing candidates were elected with right-wing votes, and just as many right-wing MPs were elected with left-wing votes.
In the majority system, proportional votes do not have much weight. What does the new parliament represent now?
That the French do not want a fascist government, and that today France is more center-left, yet it rejects both the left and the right program. In fact, the only majority that would make sense would be one with some left and center. But the left is united and I don't see how anyone can de-solidarize with the extreme left after giving life to the new Popular Front.
Now a coalition government must be created, as happens in Italy or Germany. Does such a thing seem possible to you?
Not for today. It is a very difficult situation, and these are agreements that take time, as they are contrary to the French political tradition. In the meantime, the country will have to be governed by a government for current affairs. We can have the continuation of the current government or a technical government, which however is not a good solution.
Jean-Luc Mélenchon came out first. Do you think he can be appointed prime minister?
Mélenchon represents only himself. He keeps repeating that the left has won, but this does not hold because as I said many people voted for the left, only to exclude the National Rally from taking power and not to support the program of the left. Mélenchon will never be prime minister and the program of the left as defined by the new Popular Front will never be realized.
In any case, not after these elections, Mélenchon can dream. It's normal for him to do this, he can say what he wants, but he does it because he wants to keep his political allies around him, prevent them from switching to new alliances and governing with others.
But can moderate socialists, such as François Hollande for example, enter a government with President Macron's centrist coalition?
I believe that today no one can break away from the Popular Front, as that would be treason.
In light of these results, how do you assess President Macron's decision to dissolve parliament? Was it a defeat for the president?
I have been against this act, and I certainly didn't change my mind even after the July 7 results. The defeat could have been much more severe, if the National Rally or the left front had won an absolute majority. But this did not happen. On the contrary, we can have a majority of the realistic left with the center. But this will not happen either, as they are not ready to govern together.
Did these elections show us that Marine Le Pen will never be president of France?
On the contrary, because if the governing parties that prevented the National Rally from winning this election govern badly or set a bad political example over the next three years, Le Pen will be able to win the 2027 presidential election by a landslide.
In France, Le Pen is often compared to Italy's Giorgia Meloni. Do you agree?
This comparison makes no sense, as Ms. Le Pen has no relation to Ms. Meloni. The leaders of the National Rally have until recently been for the exit of France from the EU, just like Great Britain with Brexit. It is against Europe and against Ukraine. Therefore there is no connection between the two.
And do you see any similarities between Mitterrand and Macron?
They are very different characters. The political situation is also completely different. As long as there will not be a Socialist Party stronger than the extreme left, the left cannot triumph as an ideology. This had Mitterrand's great lecture.