Academician and writer Lea Ypi was part of the steering panel of the Progressive Governance Summit held in Berlin, a historic event, a summit that brings together intellectuals, activists and political decision-makers.
The summit was held on June 21 and 22, it is held after the European Parliament elections.
The German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, was also part of the panel, who answered the questions of the Albanian writer and activist, Lea Ypi.
Scholz spoke about European policies and expressed the need that Europe has for a debate on European politics, for the benefit of the countries that are part of the European community.
Lea Ypi intervened to say that there is no political debate in Europe, that in fact there is no politics, only politics.
This is a big problem, says Ypi, and it is also affecting Albania more, which aspires to become part of the EU.
Excerpts from Lea Ypi's debate with Olaf Scholz:
Lea Ypi: I think we don't have a European debate about politics because we actually don't have politics. We only have policies. We have lost politics. And that's the problem. This is also the reason why in Albania...
Olaf Shcolz: For politicians it is something quite difficult to accept. But it's a good sentence.
Lea Ypi: Agree. Let me be even more specific. They are party politics. That is, principled projects on how society should change in light of the crisis we are facing. I really don't see any exchange between the principle projects and the European parties. I see that there is a type of project that no one likes, which is the extreme right. And I see that there is a kind of narrative about conflict, about culture, about civilizations.
I also see progressives simply following that narrative instead of creating their own. So I don't really see how you can change the European debate if you don't actually have a kind of politics that can support Europe as a whole with a vision for Europe that is a fundamentally social democratic vision. I say this with concern, because I am from Albania and as you know in Albania we have all these discussions about European expansion. If you stop someone on the street and ask, when is the next membership negotiation meeting? They will tell you exactly when the appointment is.
If you ask them what the meeting is about, they won't know. And this can happen not only at the levels of asking people on the street, but also at very high levels, unfortunately. So this is because nobody really understands what Europe is for. What are we doing here? Why are we here? What project is there?
And that's the loss of politics that I trace back to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War and all the patterns that were set in motion and the way in which, if you want to call it neoliberalism, I call it capitalism in the neoliberal phase that has emptied politics from societies, because it has been replaced by parties that have turned into technocratic managerial entities, into leaders who are driven only by issues of charisma and these kinds of completely shallow, unprincipled discussions of what a leader should be and how a party should be.
All the debate is about nothing. There is no substance in these debates. Where is the substance?", said Mrs. Lea Ypi during the debate with Olaf Scholz.